Comments on: Earth to Nader: Go fuck yourself

By: calgnostic

calgnostic — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:14:15 +0000

I have mixed feelings about Ralph running for President. He has the right to run. I voted for him in 2000, but if California had been as close and meaningful as Florida, I would not have voted for him. Looking at the last seven years of a diabolical GOP nightmare I wish he had not run at all. It is surprising he has the chutzpah to enter again. It appears to be a sure thing for Barack or Hillary in November, but another 9/11 or the capture of bin-Laden in September could turn literate Americans into frightened simpletons waving the flag and pounding the Bible and the GOP’s approval % skyrocket as it did after Sept. 11, 2001.

By: david

david — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:30:06 +0000

I mean, you used the word “islamofascist” a while back, without irony and as if it means something.

By: david

david — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:21:58 +0000

Regurgitating more half-digested VRWC talking points. Check!

By: ernie oertle23

ernie oertle23 — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:07:07 +0000

The play-list from `theBenefit-for-Obama’ at theWarfieldTheater on Mon-evening 4Feb, sounds like a wonderful bunch of tunes — that I hope my taper-buddy will soon burn me a copy of. Reading JBergan’s & RSimon’s reviews made me doubly-enthusiastic, except for the thought of the politics. “… absolutely paranoid and half-insane .. [and] .. racist ..”? No! What are ya, a fourteen-yrs-old? I’m in my sixties, & all of this misery-&-suffering & unremitting-bleakness meme is a canard theLeft has ALWAYS been sending up. They’ve ALWAYS pulled our chain w/ this bullshit. Even theRussian-people figured this shit out! If things are so bad, then where are theDems getting their gazillions in campaign-funds from?[Answer: not important `where', what is important is things aren't bad like theLeft sez.] Going w/ Obama (or Hillary or Nader/Gonzales) will prove profoundly UNWISE !!!

From the RogerLSimon-blog, a commenter remarked: The vast majority of Americans have a positive view of M L King and the civil-rights movement of the early-’60s. At the same time, the vast majority of Americans have a negative view of the defiant-rejectionism of the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam, Angela Davis, Stokely Carmichael, etc.
When OJ Simpson was acquitted, and millions of Black people were celebrating because they were happy to see a Black man beat the system, it showed that this defiant-rejectionism, and the whole notion of “stickin’ it to the man”, is still very prevalent within the Black community.

Because of this, Americans are much more suspicious of Black liberal politicians than they are of White liberal politicians. This is why I think that the only way a Black person will ever become President is if they’re either a Republican or a very centrist Democrat. Someone who has been a straight-arrow throughout their whole life. Someone who served in the military. Someone who wears their patriotism on their sleeve. Someone who waits until they’ve acquired a significant amount of political experience before running for the highest office in the land. Barack Hussein Obama is none of these things.

I think his involvement in a Black separatist church will be his ultimate undoing. If he’s such a uniter who transcends race, what on earth is he doing in a Black separatist church? It makes him look like a hypocrite[what?, a liberal/leftist a hypocrite? !!!]. McCain will not be mentioning Obama’s church in any speeches or campaign ads. But if Obama wins the nomination, you can bet that the website for Obama’s church will receive tens of millions of hits from ordinary Americans who hear about it through word of mouth. They won’t like what they see. Posted by: [a commenter called]The Fop at February 23, 2008 2:04 PM

By: Mike S

Mike S — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:07:25 +0000

“In the long-run, that kind of Change will be anathema to the creativity & the individuality celebrated in music in general, & GD-music in particular.”

What the hell….?

ernie, I think you are an absolutely paranoid and half insane person!

“B.HusseinO.” ???? What’s your point here? Sounds nothing but racist to me.

By: cousinkix1953

cousinkix1953 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:39:48 +0000

Twice as many Democrats are voting in the primaries. McCain is just too liberal for a core right wing Republicans and they are gonna stay home in protest. Ralph Nader can’t siphon off enough votes to make a big difference. It doesn’t look like another 51-49 or 52-48 squeaker in November to me.

That Whoopie Goldberg flap was a vulgar comment she made about her hairy bush on TV, and the King George fans called the FCC…

By: Don Schneier

Don Schneier — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:47:46 +0000

I recall hearing that during the 2004 Democratic convention, The Dead had been scheduled to play at one of the parties. However, they got dis-invited, following some flap involving Whoopie Goldberg that caused the Party increased worry about its image. Now, I wouldn’t expect Obama to bring back Garcia and Pen, but Deadheads shouldn’t be feeling more welcome at Ann Coulter’s house than in the Democratic ‘big tent’.

By: ernie oertle23

ernie oertle23 — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:59:17 +0000

… a throwdown 2 ……
“… what did that long assed post have to do with Nader?” I knew Nader’s name would draw commenters & Phil-&-Mickey-&-Bobby-&-David’s endorsement of Obama is something I couldn’t just let go-by. Thus when I had myself ready to post, I put it here. —– Nader has always been HaroldStasson w/ a hard-on for authoritarianism. A noxious fringe apparatchik. B.HusseinO. however, has a real chance. I myself, being a former lefty, know how you fringhies like to think of `root-causes’. Obama’s “change”-mantra, is bogus, concealing that his `roots’ are the same-place as Nader’s. In the long-run, that kind of Change will be anathema to the creativity & the individuality celebrated in music in general, & GD-music in particular.
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Though I could not caution all I yet may warn a few:
Don’t lend your hand to raise no flag
atop no ship of fools
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theObamer — this needs to be included: Obama is an unusually gifted speaker with the ability to reflect back whatever the listener wants to hear. If you catch any interviews of the audience after an Obama speech you will hear things like “He understands me.” “He understands what I’m thinking.”
A person with Obama’s rhetorical skills is very dangerous in a democracy. The Founders lived in a time when a classical education included rhetoric and they were versed in the rhetorician’s tricks of persuasion. The Founders chose Electors[theElectorialCollege] as a rational and dispassionate intermediary between the people and direct democracy. Every educated person in those days knew how gifted speakers like Alcibiades advanced their own ambitions at terrible cost to Athens by manipulating the emotions of the demos.
An earlier thread discussed how deeply apocalyptic-visions have been woven into our culture. Obama represents the hope of salvation from [this supposed] coming destruction. We can see how quickly the celebrity-crazed MSM has picked up on that theme by the many associations of Obama with JFK’s Camelot, MLK’s Dream, and Obama’s promise to “talk” with our enemies as if his magic voice can turn lions into lambs.
Whether Obama is a disciple of the Religion of Death or not I do not know. We do know that he has the most liberal (that is to say: neo-totalitarian) voting record in the U.S. Senate.
Maybe I’m channeling some ancient Greek bastard who got the willies listening to Alcibiades but I see an Obama presidency as a time of misery and destruction like we have never known.

By: david

david — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:31:09 +0000

I’m sick of voting for the lesser of two evils, too. But:

- I don’t think Obama is anything like evil, and I do think the Republican Party is.

- We can’t afford to be too idealistic these days. We are on the bring of national and planetary catastrophe, and we must take whatever small steps we can right now.

By: Sven DiMIlo

Sven DiMIlo — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:09:20 +0000

Whether or not Nader’s candidacies helped “elect” W, his running for President has little to do with his own ego. He’s running so that people who feel compelled to vote their consciences have a real alternative candidate to vote for. Obama, Clinton, McCain? They are ALL heavily in debt to the corporate status quo. Look here to see how “different” they are from each other on a meaningful scale of issues. People like me, whose views put us in the lower-left quadrant of that diagram, have nobody to vote for without holding our nose. I am sick of voting for the lesser of two evils; it makes me a hypocrite in the booth and yet I’ll probably do it again this November. Obama may or may not be quiiiiite as bought & paid for as the other candidates, and he certainly has charisma, but in terms of his policy views, he’s more of damn near the same.
Unless somebody starts pushing a little bit, this potentially great country will be stuck for a long time with our current non-COnstitutional two-party (two sides of the same coin) system. Nader has chosen to do some pushing. You may or may not think it’s wise to rock the 2-party boat, but he’s not doing it for his “ego.”
I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.